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Post by fecyrineu on Mar 27, 2017 19:53:32 GMT
So, we have a thread for Lucas, Tony and Sierra, so we now need a thread for ze goat and this forums need something besides Gyardian's shared art. From what we know of goat bruh, Frisk gave him his SOUL to save him from becoming pisspetal, he is the ambassador for monsters, as well as the crown heir to the Kingdom of Monsters, which I assume it's still a thing. And that, combined with the stuff from Undertale, is what we know of him.
Now, I know Adam said the game will focus on the original narrative they are cooking up, which other than "some monsters are attacking peps for some reason, some shady stuff is going on and Adam's shameless self-insert A.K.A Lucas is involved for some reason" we know almost nothing about. However, I'm sure there will be alot of moments which there will be some focus to the original Undertale, specially regarding Azzy and Frisky Bits. Something the game could possibly explore is Asriel's emotions. From the dialogue in Undertale, we can see that Asriel doesn't think highly of himself, it almost seens like he has very little sence of self-worth with the whole "just forget about me" bit. What would be interesting is how Asriel handles the fact someone as Frisk, who acording to Asriel is the type of friend he always wished he had, sacrificed their own life to save someone he believes not worth saving, himself. This could explore the concept of how much is worth of every individual, the uniqueness of life and if everyone is worth saving. Well, we'll have to wait when the game comes out to see if it touches the subject or not
Anyway, Gyardian, I know you will reply, so what are yours thoughts? And if other people want to stop lurking and chat, share your thoughts too.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 27, 2017 20:08:27 GMT
I'll stop lurking for one moment to say this; What if Asriel blames himself over Frisk's death/suicide?
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Post by fecyrineu on Mar 27, 2017 20:15:51 GMT
I'll stop lurking for one moment to say this; What if Asriel blames himself over Frisk's death/suicide?I could see it happening. Poor goat boy
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Post by Thunks on Mar 27, 2017 20:43:53 GMT
Maybe, knowing that Frisk is always with him (in soul form) might cheer him up a little bit. Frisk might not ever come back, but they are not completely gone either. Hopefully, Asriel won't be too hard on himself.
*Realizing that he might have been seen, Thunks hurries back to the bushes to continue lurking*
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Post by ebag1515 on Mar 27, 2017 20:50:13 GMT
Well if he does blame himself for it hopefully someone has helped him deal with those feelings in the 15 years since it happened.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 27, 2017 21:41:39 GMT
Maybe, knowing that Frisk is always with him (in soul form) might cheer him up a little bit. Frisk might not ever come back, but they are not completely gone either. Hopefully, Asriel won't be too hard on himself. * Realizing that he might have been seen, Thunks hurries back to the bushes to continue lurking* This just made me remember something too, while Frisk might not really be there or say anything, as mentioned by the devs at some point I think, they might still have some influence at some point? In the neutral ending for example the 6 souls were able to rebel against flowey's control... eh I'm probably overthinking it.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 27, 2017 22:02:51 GMT
Maybe, knowing that Frisk is always with him (in soul form) might cheer him up a little bit. Frisk might not ever come back, but they are not completely gone either. Hopefully, Asriel won't be too hard on himself. * Realizing that he might have been seen, Thunks hurries back to the bushes to continue lurking* This just made me remember something too, while Frisk might not really be there or say anything, as mentioned by the devs at some point I think, they might still have some influence at some point? In the neutral ending for example the 6 souls were able to rebel against flowey's control... eh I'm probably overthinking it. Oh yeah, and then there's this
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Post by HookLineKnifer's alt on Mar 28, 2017 7:08:01 GMT
This just made me remember something too, while Frisk might not really be there or say anything, as mentioned by the devs at some point I think, they might still have some influence at some point? In the neutral ending for example the 6 souls were able to rebel against flowey's control... eh I'm probably overthinking it. Oh yeah, and then there's this I bet KnyferORPG will get really ticked off about this post
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Post by BadgeBall on Mar 28, 2017 7:10:20 GMT
Oh yeah, and then there's this I bet KnyferORPG will get really ticked off about this post It's just a f##ing JRPG game. And... oh, I just realized I got ticked off at HookLine's post. He won the bet.
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Post by Nightmare on Mar 28, 2017 7:12:12 GMT
wat? .3.
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Post by Guardian on Mar 28, 2017 18:23:19 GMT
So, we have a thread for Lucas, Tony and Sierra, so we now need a thread for ze goat and this forums need something besides Gyardian's shared art. From what we know of goat bruh, Frisk gave him his SOUL to save him from becoming pisspetal, he is the ambassador for monsters, as well as the crown heir to the Kingdom of Monsters, which I assume it's still a thing. And that, combined with the stuff from Undertale, is what we know of him. Now, I know Adam said the game will focus on the original narrative they are cooking up, which other than "some monsters are attacking peps for some reason, some shady stuff is going on and Adam's shameless self-insert A.K.A Lucas is involved for some reason" we know almost nothing about. However, I'm sure there will be alot of moments which there will be some focus to the original Undertale, specially regarding Azzy and Frisky Bits. Something the game could possibly explore is Asriel's emotions. From the dialogue in Undertale, we can see that Asriel doesn't think highly of himself, it almost seens like he has very little sence of self-worth with the whole "just forget about me" bit. What would be interesting is how Asriel handles the fact someone as Frisk, who acording to Asriel is the type of friend he always wished he had, sacrificed their own life to save someone he believes not worth saving, himself. This could explore the concept of how much is worth of every individual, the uniqueness of life and if everyone is worth saving. Well, we'll have to wait when the game comes out to see if it touches the subject or not Anyway, Gyardian, I know you will reply, so what are yours thoughts? And if other people want to stop lurking and chat, share your thoughts too. Allright, so.. first of all, I have to say you've set the beginning of the topic pretty well. I agree with you almost in everything, and I must say I do see a huge chance that this self-uncertainty feature of Asriel will fit the story nearly perfectly. I can easily picture a moment of Asriel spending some time alone at night, a bit outside of the camp that the team have set, and we just get to see him go through such deep thinking, that he just never have had. And these short momemts with different outcomes like for example, Lucas or someone else coming to share couple words with you, or no will too, depend fully onto your actions through the game. Will you show people your sincereness, or surround yourself with negative and push away anyone, who would want to be friends with you? Heh, what else is there to say! Adam have made a very potential and promising scenario! And knowing what we have now (I mean what we have been shown, including the pre - pre - pre - pre, + "still in progress" version of Asriel, I can say It already is playable. Yeah, it would not be too great, but even though the visuals would bother a good amount of people, the music would amuse everyone anyway! And they literally were only getting started back then! Which makes me simply wonder: will we not expierience some crazy half cinematic story telling? That is like a dream of so many fans! And, I know, here is what the devs really do not like - is the exaggerating of what they they themselves even can do. And I understand you guys. We do not see the daily routine of game developing, and it feels like you're having 100% succes, and it all goes "by itself", while it is a pretty effort-requiering process.. I am just sure you guys can surprise us, even though you are afraid not to ;3 and yeah, I don't know how to feel about that concerning, totally not related to Adam's appearance (in the way we imagine it) character. But I am sure it will pay off with time, if we stay patient, and don't criticize it too early To say a little more about this moral barriers that you in the face of Asriel will have to overcome through out the game... Surely Frisk is something that Asriel should be thinking of, a lot. And as Adam told us that Frisk's is concidered passed away, it obviously hints us that the existence of connection (like, between minds/"SOULs") may be present, where Frisk mostly is represented as an abstract feeling to act merciful and help others, and I guess more personalised interactions between these two characters may be some completely special moments. Those probably, may be achieved only at some ominous and challenging parts of the game. To summarise all of it a little bit, I think we will have bits of well known, "classical" expierience of the main character learning a lot about himself, going through both exciting and dangerous journey, alongside with his friends, and eventually changing to better. ...Or, with a blind intention to slaughter every single creature he sees, including his own mother and father, who've been through so much, than one can hardly imagine a bigger torture for their minds than this.. And eventually, we would see an unforgettable and most likely, fascinating view on the world that we managed to change to better. All whom we've helped now enjoy life and quit hurting others/doing evil.. Seems like an amazing expierience, huh? ..Well, untill you let your egoistic wishes to materialise, and do all the other, horrible and pretty disgusting runs... And this is what a dilema of Undertale games, only one side of which is often being broken. Devs have to give us genocide, and we must not play it. But we still do. And as I said, I probably won't. And not really sure if I will even expierience it through a video either. You want to know why? When I've been watching genocide run of Jack, Flowey just told us something directly through the 4th wall. It was something like "You came here to see others kill, because you yourself can't do it, right? hehehe.." And.. while I saw it a reference to the player, as if he couldn't do an alike thing in real life.. But Jack explained it as an adress to the people who watch a let's play of somebody else doing genocide. After that, (and not only because of that) I do not concider watching a let's play an innocent thing as well... It is practically almot 99% the same, as doing it yourself. You'd do it yourself if you couldn't watch it anyway, right? Well.. not like my words about morality will actually keeps you away from this triggering and calling urge to have everything from such a great game as Overtale.. I don't even know.. I am too, excited to see how things go. But at the same time, Overtale universe simply makes you believe that it is not a game, where you can toy with the characters. And from that point of view, everytime you reset and do other runs, you basically.. you become the worst person in the world. Since you make such people as Sans to live throught all of that, and as well you levae them no choice, other to stay patient with you, knowing how horrible you are actually, on the inside... That you wouldn't actually be good if that wouldn't be satisfying to you. And just imagine being Sans for a moment. He everyday keeps a thought about you going onto the genocide path, "just because you can". And he will try his best to change your mind, but.. will you let him? What is moral? What, and who is good or evil, if even the prince of all monsters, who've been through such torture, and probably a hundriet times promised himself never to hurt anyone, would anyway try kill everyone? Is that really whom Asriel is? It isn't. It is whom we turn him into. It is what we put him through as well, while on the outside it seems as if we only hurt others. The image of Flowey is whom every player becomes, when he stops giving these imagined lives too much sense, and tortures them the way this player wants. Is everyone really okay with this..? Think about it.
(pictures like these always helped me realise what actual suffering we make all of those characters go through.. Just try looking into deatails a little more, and you will see what I see..)
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Post by Marshy on Apr 4, 2017 17:31:40 GMT
Asriel gets a thread at last! I'm not really gonna spout tons of theories. But I will say this: Azzy as a character doesn't seem like the one to forgive himself for things that happen. He's highly sensitive and having to cope with the horrible things he did as his other self definitely wouldn't help him move past it at all. I get the feeling that he's spent a lot of nights rolling around in his bed and putting on some fake smiles for so long... Maybe that ego he's been shown to have Is a way to cope or hide how he feels about the situation? and becoming an ambassador Is his way of atonement for the things he still blames himself for? I'm only curious about how deep they decide to go with him, there Is a hell of a lot to explore and juggling it may not be so easy. I certainly hope It all comes together.
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Post by foxhound3857 on Apr 17, 2017 1:17:33 GMT
I'm thinking that the Pacifist route is less likely to be Frisks conscious presence lingering on after death, and more about Asriel taking after the example that Frisk set. He got a taste of that merciful approach first-hand, after all. And let's not forget what he was like before that incident, where he chose death over harming the humans threatening his life. That speaks pretty soundly as to his strength of character. But there's also the things he did as Flowey, and that kind of behavior and mentality is hard to unlearn, I imagine. And I suspect his mantra of "not everything can be solved by being nice" will still be an active element in the narrative.
I'm more interested in how Asriel feels about Frisk at this point in his life. Does he see them as just some human who gave him their SOUL, or does he see them as something more, a friend, or perhaps even family, a sibling, like Chara? I mean, giving up your own SOUL to save someone you love, you can't get any closer to a person then that, so really they're like two halves of a whole.
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