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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 8:34:56 GMT
I mean, I've been wondering about it a bit and I haven't really asked anyone, so it'd be nice to have you guys' opinions on the matter!
By genocide run, I of course mean the act of fighting and killing everything you come across until theres nothing less. I was fine with its mere existence in Undertale, as Frisk could of been anyone, even a murderer. However, in Overtale, we have Asriel and a Pacifist Frisk, both known to be generally kind and not wanting to kill anyone (heck, Asriel literally sacrificed himself over not killing a single human, no matter how guilty they were).
What I'm wondering is how this will actually happen. I mean, Asriel probably won't be going round killing the innocent (though the supposed battles where fighting or mercy are hard to distinguish, I may understand), and Frisk is probably not going to influence him in a negative way due to Pacifism. As well as this, wouldn't the party members be questioning a murderous slaughter of the innocent?
How do you think it's going to happen?
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 14:54:40 GMT
Another thought that just occurred to me (while ironically playing Virtues Last Reward could be that the choices made (killing or not killing) both have to happen, due to the many worlds theory - whenever you are presented with a choice, lets say picking between a red and green door, 2 whole different universes where you made those exact choices are created. So basically, if Asriel & co. COULD ever kill someone (not saying they should but you get the gist) they have to in a separate timeline, regardless of prior motives or actions.
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Post by UltiMateSkateFIN on Aug 16, 2016 15:01:09 GMT
I think the genocide route starts out like Asriel killing someone and others question Asriel and Asriel grows more annoyed at them eventually killing them too
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 15:04:11 GMT
Yeah but that's kind of my point, it seems like it could be out of character for Asriel - I mean, he doesn't really seem the type to kill someone, even if it were the right thing to do.
Maybe Chara could possess the Frisk inside Asriel? (I mean, I'm not really a fan of Chara is evil by default but you never know...)
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Post by UltiMateSkateFIN on Aug 16, 2016 16:47:39 GMT
This is interesting to see. Think about that when the first public version cames out but they wont include any killing so it would be further surprise. We need some big league theorists here
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 16:51:50 GMT
Maybe it determines on the save integration system. I could understand his actions more if the Frisk had a corrupted pacifist ending (doing a genocide ending and then a pacifist ending) but without that...
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Post by UltiMateSkateFIN on Aug 16, 2016 16:54:38 GMT
It is real mystery I can't think anything rock solid theories
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Post by UltiMateSkateFIN on Aug 16, 2016 16:55:46 GMT
But if people at OvertaleRPG managed to find a way then it should be possible to research some theory
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 16:56:07 GMT
I'm guessing we'll have to wait for the actual release to find this out ;-; 3 long years (potentially longer )
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Post by UltiMateSkateFIN on Aug 16, 2016 16:58:47 GMT
Wow I just realized how long it will be Im out of school officially then
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 17:00:14 GMT
I'll be doing my A-Levels ;-;
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 17:07:13 GMT
Actually, come to think of it...
I remember there being a bunch more endings, maybe it was about 7? I don't remember.
But, the point I'm making is that maybe multiple endings (like 2 or 3) could be genocide. These endings could go in different paths due to either different genocidal choices you make or, as I said before, prior save integration.
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Post by TREE3 on Aug 16, 2016 19:10:11 GMT
Yeah, that's still a pretty contentious point. There are still a few ways I can see the devs handling it, though. For Asriel, I can think of three outs: 1) They blame him relapsing into Flowey 2) They blame Chara somehow 3) (And what I hope they do) Make a case that, since SOULS share control over the bodies they inhabit, Asriel has Frisk's soul, and Frisk was the Player Character, Asriel can be bent to the player's will much the same way as Frisk can.
Player choice was a huge deal in Undertale, and I'd love to see that acknowledged and preserved in Overtale's lore.
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Post by Gnar Bot on Aug 16, 2016 19:26:16 GMT
That third option sounds like the most likely of the three, and probably the one with the best writing opportunities
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Post by SansBlocksTheWay on Aug 16, 2016 19:43:05 GMT
I'd wonder if there would be comments about Asriel's mannerisms and demeanor changing over time, as he gets more and more corrupted by the player
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