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Post by ebag1515 on Nov 21, 2016 17:53:30 GMT
Since this takes place on the surface, it would be cool if the group ran into some human enemies. Given what we know about humans they would have significantly higher HP, Defense, and attack and would be unaffected by the party's LOVE. Seeing how tough the would be maybe sprinkling them in as occasional mini bosses would be good. Also maybe the more nice actions you do with them in combat the more their malice to you and damage done per hit drops. I'm not entirely sure what you could do for their bullet board. Maybe dodging their weapon swings or whatever physical attack they throw at you. We do have an example of a monster dodging human attacks: Sans. Let me know what you think of this suggestion.
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Post by fecyrineu on Nov 21, 2016 20:39:05 GMT
They said there will be humans enemies, but other than that, we don't really know much. I assume that LOVE doesn't affect human enemies, and that they will do considerable damage to party members except Lucas, since he is a human himself. But then here comes the question of the genocide route. What if you kill them? Will you be able to just absorve their SOULs? Probaly not, since then the game would be way easy. Human enemies are a thing I'm looking foward to in Overtale, I hope they do it well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 0:16:06 GMT
Since this takes place on the surface, it would be cool if the group ran into some human enemies. Given what we know about humans they would have significantly higher HP, Defense, and attack and would be unaffected by the party's LOVE. Seeing how tough the would be maybe sprinkling them in as occasional mini bosses would be good. Also maybe the more nice actions you do with them in combat the more their malice to you and damage done per hit drops. I'm not entirely sure what you could do for their bullet board. Maybe dodging their weapon swings or whatever physical attack they throw at you. We do have an example of a monster dodging human attacks: Sans. Let me know what you think of this suggestion. I know there is going to be those kinds of enemies as well, but keep in mind, there's a lot of weapons we can use besides melee. One reason being because of the fact that since digital computers will exist in the setting of this game, I'm sure there's going to be some bosses where you have to dodge actual bullets. And if the Developers were to refer to different AU's like Glitchtale, which I think NyxTheShield might be a way to refer to Camila Cuevas, there could be some magic attacks as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 0:17:33 GMT
They said there will be humans enemies, but other than that, we don't really know much. I assume that LOVE doesn't affect human enemies, and that they will do considerable damage to party members except Lucas, since he is a human himself. But then here comes the question of the genocide route. What if you kill them? Will you be able to just absorve their SOULs? Probaly not, since then the game would be way easy. Human enemies are a thing I'm looking foward to in Overtale, I hope they do it well. This game does refer to A Dreemurr Reborn, so Asriel technically would be as strong as Lucas, defense wise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 0:19:25 GMT
Chances are, Lucas and Asriel would gain LV separately, where asriel would gain it from Humans while Lucas would gain it from Monsters.
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Post by fecyrineu on Nov 22, 2016 9:11:29 GMT
They said there will be humans enemies, but other than that, we don't really know much. I assume that LOVE doesn't affect human enemies, and that they will do considerable damage to party members except Lucas, since he is a human himself. But then here comes the question of the genocide route. What if you kill them? Will you be able to just absorve their SOULs? Probaly not, since then the game would be way easy. Human enemies are a thing I'm looking foward to in Overtale, I hope they do it well. This game does refer to A Dreemurr Reborn, so Asriel technically would be as strong as Lucas, defense wise. Asriel's SOUL might be as strong or stronger than Lucas's SOUL, but his body is still a magical representation of himself, like any other monster. When someone attacks a monster, what hurts is not the actual physical force of the attack, but the willpower with the intent to hurt used by whotever attack. Lucas, however, has an actual physical body, so if someone swing a sword at him, regardless if it was intentional or accidental, it's gonna hurt the same. That is why Human enemies shouln't deal extra damage to Lucas.
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Post by Nightmare on Nov 22, 2016 11:13:59 GMT
This game does refer to A Dreemurr Reborn, so Asriel technically would be as strong as Lucas, defense wise. Asriel's SOUL might be as strong or stronger than Lucas's SOUL, but his body is still a magical representation of himself, like any other monster. When someone attacks a monster, what hurts is not the actual physical force of the attack, but the willpower with the intent to hurt used by whotever attack. Lucas, however, has an actual physical body, so if someone swing a sword at him, regardless if it was intentional or accidental, it's gonna hurt the same. That is why Human enemies shouln't deal extra damage to Lucas. In this case however you have to factor a lot more in, if say for example a murderer appeared with a huge intent to kill but they only had their fists they would deal massive damage to monsters but very little to lucas.
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Post by fecyrineu on Nov 22, 2016 15:43:53 GMT
Asriel's SOUL might be as strong or stronger than Lucas's SOUL, but his body is still a magical representation of himself, like any other monster. When someone attacks a monster, what hurts is not the actual physical force of the attack, but the willpower with the intent to hurt used by whotever attack. Lucas, however, has an actual physical body, so if someone swing a sword at him, regardless if it was intentional or accidental, it's gonna hurt the same. That is why Human enemies shouln't deal extra damage to Lucas. In this case however you have to factor a lot more in, if say for example a murderer appeared with a huge intent to kill but they only had their fists they would deal massive damage to monsters but very little to lucas. Or if someone with a very powerful weapon attacks the group but doesn't have an intent to kill, that way Lucas is the one who gets screwed over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 2:26:25 GMT
Asriel's SOUL might be as strong or stronger than Lucas's SOUL, but his body is still a magical representation of himself, like any other monster. When someone attacks a monster, what hurts is not the actual physical force of the attack, but the willpower with the intent to hurt used by whotever attack. Lucas, however, has an actual physical body, so if someone swing a sword at him, regardless if it was intentional or accidental, it's gonna hurt the same. That is why Human enemies shouln't deal extra damage to Lucas. In this case however you have to factor a lot more in, if say for example a murderer appeared with a huge intent to kill but they only had their fists they would deal massive damage to monsters but very little to lucas. Are you sure about that with Lucas, they could just simply choke them, punch him in the neck apple(also implys choking), another vulnerable part is between the legs, but really, this is going to be T-rated so I doubt any of that animation would happen
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Post by Nightmare on Nov 24, 2016 6:25:51 GMT
In this case however you have to factor a lot more in, if say for example a murderer appeared with a huge intent to kill but they only had their fists they would deal massive damage to monsters but very little to lucas. Are you sure about that with Lucas, they could just simply choke them, punch him in the neck apple(also implys choking), another vulnerable part is between the legs, but really, this is going to be T-rated so I doubt any of that animation would happen I don't even know what to say to that... also let's factor one more thing in to this, remember in undertale that while it's true your damage to monsters was mostly determined by your intent to kill them, having the correct weapon did help...
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Post by TREE3 on Nov 24, 2016 7:16:57 GMT
I think, as a good rule of thumb, swords will do more damage than a plastic knife preeeeety much 100% of the time, largely regardless of who is welding the sword, or whatever BS magical background logic you have running (uses its Chara, of course, in which case the uinverse will probably implode for some reason).
Also, to Knyfer, there are indeed many places where, if you hit a human, the human will be hurt.
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Post by fecyrineu on Nov 24, 2016 12:39:57 GMT
Are you sure about that with Lucas, they could just simply choke them, punch him in the neck apple(also implys choking), another vulnerable part is between the legs, but really, this is going to be T-rated so I doubt any of that animation would happen I don't even know what to say to that... also let's factor one more thing in to this, remember in undertale that while it's true your damage to monsters was mostly determined by your intent to kill them, having the correct weapon did help... I always thought that better weapons helped because it made you feel more dangerous (if you swing a dagger at someone, you intent to hurt them will be bigger than if you swing a stick at someone).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 2:03:49 GMT
Since this takes place on the surface, it would be cool if the group ran into some human enemies. Given what we know about humans they would have significantly higher HP, Defense, and attack and would be unaffected by the party's LOVE. Seeing how tough the would be maybe sprinkling them in as occasional mini bosses would be good. Also maybe the more nice actions you do with them in combat the more their malice to you and damage done per hit drops. I'm not entirely sure what you could do for their bullet board. Maybe dodging their weapon swings or whatever physical attack they throw at you. We do have an example of a monster dodging human attacks: Sans. Let me know what you think of this suggestion. Well, anyone but this one, I was revolted by this.
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Post by fecyrineu on Feb 21, 2017 22:15:13 GMT
Just had a shower thought. If humans kill monster with their intent to kill, theorically if you have enought desire to kill, you could kill a monster with finger guns.
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Post by TREE3 on Feb 21, 2017 22:23:19 GMT
Just had a shower thought. If humans kill monster with their intent to kill, theorically if you have enought desire to kill, you could kill a monster with finger guns. Or, if you're Photoshop Flower, you kill humans with finger guns.
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